Good looking professor wants you to show pity for less attractive professors
Professor Elizabeth Haines: William Paterson University – PsychologyShe made a deal with you. She expects you to keep it.
View Professor Profile Your CommentsProfessor Elizabeth Haines: William Paterson University – PsychologyShe made a deal with you. She expects you to keep it.
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March 18th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
she thinks im hot. knew it.
March 18th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
you are hot Jake ; )
March 18th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
shawty is a TEN
March 19th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
i like the title of the post
March 19th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
attractive professors entice in-class day dreaming
March 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
I’m willing to obey and I’m not even in her class. Yikes.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:13 am
These professors are living the cliche – “Those who can, DO; those who can’t, TEACH!” The only reason anyone gets a PhD in psych is to try and figure themselves out, and when they can’t, it has to be those lazy students. This chic knows Freud! Physician – heal thyself!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:03 am
I just want to respond to J.D. He/she cannot even bother to respond to a particular person. Thus “these professors.” He/she then decides to use a cliche as an organizing theory: this is exactly the sort of cheap, easy, blame-seeking behavior that our “good-looking professor” was talking about. I see a great deal of it and so do many or my colleagues. It’s a disease that makes people who would otherwise be just uninteresting and ignorant, like J.D., downright toxic.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
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March 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Feminst Law poster- did you watch the video responses? They speak for them selves. How can you say they are not striking back?
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm
She said social contract. How many of her students have to look that up?
March 24th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Are you single? Marry me!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
What a freaking loser teacher… this isn’t about how much can I shove down the Student Throat – it’s supposed to be about Student LEARNING but that has be lost in Translation…
March 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Wow – what a professor…. it’s only a job isn’t it – “you do your work and I do mine”. and maybe then you are successful and if not who cares, because ” I did my job and you apparently not yours” … well maybe your job suck and you should improve the your didactic and pedagogic skills instead spending so much time being right!
March 26th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Would like to tell DMG something. When you have the job of a professor—something which appears highly unlikely at the moment—perhaps you will change your tune. Perhaps not. You may be beyond repair. I urge you to take advantage of some remedial programs and a course of religious or ethical counseling. It doesn’t matter which one. Also, perhaps you should see a psychiatrist. Your presentation of self is almost incoherent, but one can at least make out that it is really stupid, and this is worrying because it suggest a sociopathological style of pretending to be a “college student.” But it is difficult to diagnose these things from afar. Anyway, I wish you well.
March 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
It sounds like you are a bit of a power tripper… You need to realize that people have lives and that you demanding and making things mandatory in your class (I am not saying its bad) is just making you look like you are a punisher of people with lives. I do very well with professors who understand I work 40 hours a week and I am marred and I have absolutely no time for anything else. Circumstances are always different. I didn’t have the luxury of going to school when I was younger, but I do have it now. Attendance at a college or university should never be mandatory and neither should homework and papers…(unless you are in english or literature). Lecture and give the test. Make it applicable to real life. Why is your class so important for me? Make it known to your students and have a sense of humor. Good luck.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Hi Ronnie. In regard to this idea that “I do very well with professors who understand I work 40 hours a week and I am married and I have absolutely no time for anything else,” does that mean that you have some professors who don’t ask you do do anything for their classes, or who give you good grades whether or not you produce good work? Because many professors do this sort of thing because they are burned out by students, such as you, who are always complaining that everything else other than the course they themselves signed up for is important. Why is any class important to you? Why sign up? Why go to college? If your real life is somewhere else and not at college, go away. I promise your professor won’t miss you at all. And, try that “I’m too busy” line with your boss some time. Or your husband. Or your children. Then check out Rate My Employee, or Rate My Wife, or Rate My Mom.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Or as I tell my full-time working students, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve School and work” (Matt 6:24). Then I bless them and ascend into heaven.
Ronnie, that attitude does seem pompous and all, but Alan is correct–or in studentese, “totally correct.”
March 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Alan, in response to your post I think you are honestly full of **** no offense. I agree with Ronnie attendance at a college should never be mandatory in some classes such as psychology. There is nothing professors can teach you that is not in the book. I think that it is time As far as homework and papers not being mandatory I think that is a better a little bit too extreme. See, I have truly been a supporter of papers since these truly reflect how much you really know rather than just purely memorization however, I do not think papers should be a big deal worth a chunk of the grade. Every student has a different writing style which sometimes conflicts with the instructor’s however the student may not be a bad writer overall. My reason for why attendance should not be mandatory is pretty simple, there is nothing you can learn in a 50 minute lecture that you cannot grasp by reading the book. As far as application to real life is concerned I strongly agree here as well. Although lectures should not be mandatory the true quality of a professor is to make students want to attend the lectures and learn. This can be accomplished through real life applications, sense of humor and mutimedia. So Alan, I understand your point but, there is no reason for bashing someone because, they don’t agree with your views. It makes your arguements weaker and nobody really cares to listen to you. I guess this sociopathological illness your talking about reflects your personality and you should seek some mental help before it is too late.
March 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hi Jake. First of all, it’s really difficult to not be offensive while you are telling someone that they are full of excrement, and so I don’t fault you for not being successful at it. Second, your remarks about attendance are odd, given that I didn’t say anything about the subject, but I am not surprised that by this: many students, and you are clearly one of them, cannot tease the core of an argument out of even the clearest piece of prose. Also, I am ambivalent about attendance policies because while students should be mature enough to make their own decisions in these matters, they often, sadly, don’t have the sense that god gave a goat, and therefore need some extra prodding. It’s difficult. If, as you claim, you don’t like lectures but do like so-called real life applications, a sense of humor, and multimedia, you should shop around for professors who can give you stock tips and grooming advice, and crack jokes, and show movies. Otherwise, I cannot make much sense of your difficulties. Do you want to come to class or not? That’s the real issue. Nobody can teach you anything if you aren’t there.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Jake, ever hear of the University of Phoenix Online? If you’re not getting an education from the professors in the college that you currently attend, I suggest you enroll in some Internet skool and get your sheepskin that way.
In the oral tradition, you “know” what you can repeat. That is, what you have in your head. For example, you “know” your zip code because you can spew it. In the written tradition, you “know” what you can look up. That is, you know where in written documents to look for the information. For example, you “know” your best friend’s cell number, because you have it stored in your own cell phone (or “know” a set of digits because you know about the table of logarithms in the back of the book). You don’t really “know” this material in your head–in the usual understanding of the verb “to know.” The university tradition, as it has evolved from the Middle Ages, is a residually oral one. That means that, in many cases, while you still are responsible for completing papers at home–or by cutting and pasting from Wikipedia–you need to “know” some material by holding that information in your head. Testing is often used by faculty to gauge what it is you’ve done with the information that you’ve jammed into your head. In fact, after you write a paper, your original take on the synthesis of your research is what you can actually spew orally, if required. It’s a reflection of what you “know.” The result of your research and writing is what you can spew orally; it’s not the 10-15 pages that you purchased from academon.com.
So even those poor PhDs who have to write dissertations (and doctoral students who take qualifying exams, like Alan and Ramón), must defend them orally. In other words, ultimately, in the university tradition, what you know is what you can repeat orally. If you think that all information is “in the book,” and can’t be conveyed through some discursive, in-class lecturing, then you’re short-changing yourself.
Your better professors prod your thinking in class by sometimes making outrageous statements. If you want to challenge your idiot professors and their ridiculous assertions, you should engage in a dialogue with them. That’s a reflection of your thinking. A book won’t do this with you. Good luck, Jake. Seriously.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Jake, and all of the rest of the student commentators, I just want to add that I am in complete agreement with what Ramón has just written. I also want to add, as he did, good luck. Seriously.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Ah the age old argument on class attendance. I would rather hear an animated professor lecture on a subject any day rather than try to squint out tiny weeny text in a giant text book. I like reading as much as any other person but why do that when you can get the condensed interactive version? That and most professors don’t test over every single thing in your text book. Attending class makes whittling down what you need to know a little easier. It’s practical, really.
However, admittedly not every single professor lectures well. I’ve had more than my share of mind numbing lectures in monotone voice. Add that in with homework for other classes, sleeping disorders, and heaven forbid you get involved with a performance major that requires outside rehearsals– sometimes the energy to get up for class at 7 in the morn just isn’t there. I’m usually at my best in the PM hours when most classes are over– and I graduated well in the top 5% of my class. No, I didn’t have a fabulous attendance record.
I think moderation is the key here. Yes, there are students who have that. Anyone who doesn’t needs to learn, or fail. The rules shouldn’t be changed to accommodate them. We are in a learning environment right? Then learn responsibility. University is not for children. Mandatory attendance is unnecessary.
And yes, knowing something is the equal of having the ability to recall and discuss but I will never agree that *testing* is a great way of measuring actual knowledge. People can prepare for tests.
I have photographic memory. I can recall anything over a short period of time. Tests are easy. However, I can’t recall a damned thing I put on tests during my time at uni. Tests are about short term performance, not knowledge. Some of the best students are nothing but academic actors.
This isn’t necessarily a disagreement with any comment, just something to think about.
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Prof. Haines,
Looks like you have your students’ attention by the number and length of the posts, but being a psychology professor you should recognize classical conditioning when you see it and that is exactly what rate my professor is. The sheep following more sheep.
I attend CSUSB and rate my professor is an interesting research project you should try it sometime.
Good Job,
Kathy from California
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
To Jake, J.D., Ramon and especially Alan… YOU GUYS ARE ***
To Prof. Haines… if youre reading this, which I know you are, hit me up sometime ; ) xarmandohaxsu AT yahoo DOT com
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I had her I think in 2004(ish) for Psychology and, yes, she does expect quality work of her students but isn’t that the point of college? To meet challenges? I actually LEARNED in her class and not because of her looks…
And for all you 18-24 yr. old immature slackers…she has a husband and child and I doubt she wants to downgrade.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I respect HB’s comments. Kudos!
April 5th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
If a professor just “trusts” that you learned because on a couple tests that you could have memorized the answers for the night before and then never remember again, then he/she is doing a disservice to those who teach the next level of the subject. A professor expects students to come to class with the knowledge necessary from previous classes.
If you really hate lectures, take your classes online! What did you expect college was going to be like?!?!? Grow up.
For those of you like Ronnie, while it is understandable that you have other activities, it is the professor’s jpb to make sure you learned everything you are supposed to know. They cannot teach to the lowest degree just because a few students have busy schedules, it is not fair to the other students. You cannot expect everything to go your way. Why is it, that I, an 18 year old, can understand this, but someone who obviously should be considered an adult cannot? Sometimes you have to make sacrifices. Maybe you do have to chose between higher education and quality time with your kids. That sucks but it happens. I had to chose between taking care of my sick father and school. I didn’t ask my teachers not to make papers mandatory. I dropped a class because I knew I had other obligations and put off finishing my high school and college degree (I was dual enrolled). Make choices and be responsible for yourself.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
She is throwing gang signs! OMG!
April 8th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Re: Elizabeth Haines
What a horrible response! She practically responded as if there was no way that is could be her horrible teaching skills that caused the bad grades, it’s alway the student fault. Well hunny, that’s not always the case. Maybe if you looked at the marks you’ve been getting you’d study harder on making yourself a better teacher. You can’t call it a career unless you’re good at it!
April 10th, 2008 at 2:00 am
I agree with Lauren. All Professor Haines is saying is that by doing everything on the syllabus, you’ll do well in the class, which is the equivalent of saying nothing and/or absolving herself of the blame. Why does the University pay her to teach? So that she can assign students to read the textbook and prepare for the exams on their own? No. It’s so that she can relay her knowledge and promote interest in the subject. I’ve had wonderful psych professors that have had extremely difficult exams, but I don’t complain about them because THEY didn’t have a communication problem like Haines might have. The fact that Haines has blamed everything on the students is because she’s in denial and thinks that she’s almighty when it comes to teaching…
As a sidenote, I don’t think that she’s THAT attractive. Compared to other professors, maybe she is, but she’s pretty average looking compared to the population. And according to most of the posts, her teaching methods are subpar.
April 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Maybe she often wears short skirts or other revealing clothing? My best guess…
April 15th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
eh, what an idiot. this is why her c.v. is so unimpressive. (accoridng to many of the faculty members i talked to) apparently she cant be published on her own, and always needs to co-author.
April 17th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
I feel that many of these comments are hurtful, and I wish that individuals would be more thoughtful with their writing.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I’ve never had this professor, but I know her type. And I know my type. I’m the type that would do well in her class, because I show up, I take notes, I read the texts, I submit the papers, and I communicate with the professor often to make sure I’m not missing anything. Some of these angry folks that have nothing but sexist and idiotic comments to say about her are undoubtedly the other type of student: kids who show up late if at all, don’t read the books, text their significant others in class, and then blame the professor when their grades suffer. Everyone has a bum day here and there, but this type seem to have bum semesters.
As students, we are individuals. But it’s not in the professor’s job description to cater to people who don’t have the decency to be real students. We’re here to learn, remember. If you’re not showing up or if you don’t pay attention, you’re not holding up your end of the bargain.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:26 am
What’s her e-mail address?I have sth to ask!
April 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am
hi
April 26th, 2008 at 9:44 am
First I’d like to say she’s gorgeous but brunettes are more attractive to me. Now that that’s been said, let’s get to the meat of my comment.
This is college. That, to me as a student, means it is now my decision on whether ot not to go to class. I don’t feel a teacher should ever tell me I must be in class. That’s high school thinking. In this day, at least for those of us that have to work to pay our way through college (not have mommy and daddy footing the bill for us, or a free ride), our schedules are quite busy. If i feel I need a day off from the class, then I should not be penalized for it. With that being said, if I don’t keep up on the work and I don’t do well on the tests because i’m missing classes, well then that’s my fault ultimately. I’d better find a way to rearrange my schedule. I signed up for the class, I am the one that needs the credit. I guess I should never have signed up for the course in the first place, then.
On another note, I think some teachers should be understanding that in general, people are busier these days, especially those with families. It isn’t a 1-income family anymore that cuts it.
I graduated with an Electrical Engineering Bachelor’s degree that took me 7 years to complete because I had to work full time for all of it just to pay my way. My grades weren’t the best, I graduated with a 2.66 overall, but I earned that degree and nobody can ever take it away from me.
I experienced a few different types of teachers during my education. There were the ‘lecture freaks’ that just talked in a monotone voice, put pages of the book up on an overhead and went through it (i could do this from home, geez), and then tested you on the readings. This could have been an online course for crying out loud.
I had some teachers that lectured, then gave tons of busy work. I learned some from these courses, depending on if the busy work was practical at all and could be related to real world situations.
And finally, I had other teachers who were loud, obnoxious at times, rude at times, silly and crazy, and I got the most out of those courses.
I think that teachers who are in their students’ faces, changing the tone of the classes, getting students physically involved in the concepts, get students to learn alot more than traditionally writing notes on a board for everyone to copy (which I’m not listening anyways because I’m busy hurrying to write everything before it is all erased).
In grade school my favorite teacher was one as I mentioned above. He’d get all over kids if they weren’t learning their math. But we would play educational games like Math Baseball, divided up in teams, etc, then we’d get recess if everyone knew all the answers. He would have 1-liners that he’d use on the kids not paying attention like, ‘put an egg in your shoe and beat it, you GOON”. Just a great teacher and really enjoyable.
Anyways, perhaps what I’ve said above doesn’t apply to true freshman students right out of college. My point of view is coming from someone that had nothing handed to him. I had to work to get through school, otherwise I didn’t go. So I definitely can see the teacher’s point of view with getting upset with some of these students who think they are entitled to a decent grade.
April 27th, 2008 at 3:21 am
teacher, could you tell us your e-mail address?
April 29th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
what a b*tch!!
April 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I think Alan does not like being a professor and doesn’t care about his students.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:55 am
To Dave above:
Congratulations on your degree.
Your story is admirable in every way possible.
June 8th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Does she consider herself above “average”? Someone get this woman a mirror!
June 16th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I am an adult college student with a son in college. I don’t know this particular professor, but one thing I have learned and try to convey to my son is that if your professor is halfway decent, attending class, paying attention and taking good notes is your best use of time. They are doing your work for you. Be engaged and present in the moment.
As for homework, that is there to give you confidence and mastery in the subject matter. As a manager who regularly hires college graduates, I hope I never encounter those of you who are offended that someone asks you to attend class and do the work. (Actually, I think I may have hired a couple of you in the past.) If you don’t have time to do the required work, sign up for fewer classes. That attitude will rarely fly in the workplace. Quit whining and try having pride in your work.
Oh yeah, and for those of you who “have a life,” I’m right there with you, but it is up to you to find that balance, not your professor.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
The lack of compassion displayed by some of the professors in this forum is chilling.
June 28th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Ah, the celebration of mediocrity in American society. God forbid someone hold us to high standards, or any standards at all. Let us rebel if someone demands that we work! I say rise up against the individuals who wish for us to learn their way and in their classes!! Unite!!
July 7th, 2008 at 10:40 am
First of all I must agree with Professor Haines. Being a married student with a job is no excuse to slack in class. I don’t understand the students who feel their lives are too good for a class they voluntarily signed up for. I show up, do the work, put the study hours in and as an adult I learn how to balance my life.
Secondly, Alan just sounds like an educated bully. Sometimes being more educated means knowing how to argue with respect for another human being. Some of the most influential, respected people of our time don’t have a degree.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:42 am
LOL when she said “Can I say unattractive?” SHE is smart and BEATIFUL… Please, be my professor… =)
July 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Be nicer to the less attractive profs? Clearly she has not seen some of the high-rated math and engineering profs. They’re definitely not the best-looking people in the world (although sometimes it’s a matter of perception), but they do a good job of teaching which is why they have better ratings. There are also a few good-looking profs with low ratings… that is because they are not good teachers. Maybe she should rethink her perceptions and open her eyes.
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
All this time and no one thinks Alan Trevithick is Haines’ clone?? The guy depends her on very post from the get go!!!
I have to agree with others about how Haines didn’t mention anything about her teaching skills, just ignore the whole thing and complains about how students didn’t do their jobs. And NO, she looks average at best.
July 29th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
TDK: Maybe you should proofread your comments before you submit them.
To Ronnie: Why take the class? I myself like lectures over online. You get the benefit of someone who has worked in that field.
If you want to read the book, just read the book. Don’t waste the money. Don’t waste other students and teachers time when you come in after missing three classes and you look at the board and don’t understand a thing that is being said or written.
Try missing the day when your teacher goes over “The chain rule” in a calculus class. Reading the book is only half the work. Learn to listen actively.
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July 31st, 2008 at 3:32 pm
The professor seems like a reasonable person. I would bet that all the whiners here got poor grades due to their laziness. So they come here to vent. Should spend more time studying and less leaving immature comments.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:09 am
First of all, this woman isn’t really that attractive (especially when she laughs). She makes herself even less desireable by referring to other professors as “less attractive.” Really tells us something about her.
Those of you who posted comments about her looks are even more pathetic. Maybe some of you need to “take care of business” before you come to class, instead of treating your college experience like some kind of teen **** film.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Whatever, I don’t give a flying rats *** how good looking ANY of my professors are. I didn’t pay thousands to rate my professors on looks. For you little pukes that are barely more than teenagers or actually are teenagers….just ******* get over it, do your work and get through school. Oh yeah, try to do it without masterbating until you go blind just because you have a blond lady teacher. GET A ******* LIFE YOU DICKMOS!!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 6:11 am
Man, she really butchers the King’s English in the 2nd video. “The comments about attractiveness is really generous considering the population of which I teach…” Does Paterson U offer a remedial English course? She should enroll ASAP.
August 15th, 2008 at 1:46 am
I find it mildly amusing that everyone here seems to know the “correct” answer to an incredibly subjective issue. People learn in different ways (surprise). I personally learn material at a much faster rate from a book than from a lecture. Books allow me to digest concepts at my own pace. As long as I complete my assignments correctly and on time, and earn top scores on tests, I don’t think I should be unable to earn an A in a class. Punishing students for not going to class makes as much as sense as punishing students for not reading the textbook and just studying their notes.
And before you dismiss me as some slacker student who doesn’t care, consider that I have a 3.8 in Mechanical Engineering and I plan to go to graduate school. I do go to classes with an attendance grade, but I spend my time there (gasp) reading the textbook or doodling.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Most people in here are writing about this professor that they have either taken or heard about or don’t know anything about her but from watching a video. I am going to give everyone a sum up of everything in my post because i have taken her 1 time in the past.
First off, i would just like to say, I believe that everyone goes to College to learn. You pay your bucks to go to a University or County school because obviously you want to achieve some higher level of learning past high school that can take you into completely different level. Everyone pays their dollars and EVERYONE can do whatever they want to as long as they are paying for their course. I love to hear people argue about why we shouldn’t go to class and why we should. If you want to go, go. If you don’t, don’t. It is not fair to label all students the same by making attendance mandatory. I have over in 3.0 gpa in my both my majors (and yes i do say double major) not because i went to class or i did. its because when it came down to it, whatever i had to do to pass.
Some people would rather go to class than not go to class because they don’t have the time to read everything on their own. Others prefer not to go to class because whatever they professor is teaching them, they can read in a book. And honestly all these professors went to school to learn about the field they are studying. NO PROFESSOR in present day steps into a classroom saying that he or she knew about freud without cracking a book unless they lived impossibly long years and knew the guy personally (lol). They all did dissertations on these subjects, went to class, graduated and started teaching…plain and simple. I personally prefer doing half and half. I don’t mind going to class if required but at the same time, i am sure everyone has come across a professor who just made class seem like wasted space because they had no idea about what they are talking about. Why do you think for example there are prep classes for GRE’s? Obviously to get a good score but most For those people who can’t study on their own. The class forces you to sit down and read the material while you are there. And those who don’t take the class either have a private tutor or read the material on their own because THEY CAN.
With that said, I had the dissatisfaction of taking professor Haines and i have to say, i have never met someone with a bigger ego than hers. Class was almost IMPOSSIBLE TO keep up with because of her ridiculous syllabus that she says to follow…so i went to class ( since there was only 1 absence allowed and if you missed, you failed the whole course) read my book, participated, talked to her and did exactly what she wanted. When it came down to the first quiz, she scored my really low and i asked her why? She tells me that she knows i read the material and i studied really hard because my responses were very legitimate, but she would have preferred me to write it in the exact way that she wanted. And i asked myself how the **** am I supposed to know that? So next quiz i work with her to get better grades, then she tells me that i was very detailed in my responses and answered everything clearly but she still couldn’t give me the grade i deserved because it still wasn’t the way she wanted. When i asked her how am i supposed to know that i don’t know how to write like you and i can’t because we both have our own way of phrasing things. and she says “oh you’ll figure it out. On top of that, there was a girl in a front seat who never came to class and apparently got A’s on her quizzes because she took a different class with Haines as a freshman and Haines let her slack because she was taking another class with her. so it was ok for her to take the quiz home, bring it in and never come to class, but not for us (The Dean found out). A quiz and a paper due every class period, a test every two weeks, 3 oral presentations a month, a midterm and final on top of the every two weeks tests, and a large group presentation at the end of the semester.
I’m obviously not lazy, but some professors punish students for their shortcomings. I respect her as a teacher but i dropped the class and saved my money and took another class to spare the F that 75% of the class ended up getting. Other 25% got between C+’s and D’s. Don’t believe me? read her ratings. Yes we all come to college to learn but this is not a relay race. Education can take you as far as you will learn. Education in today’s society is pretty much a foot in the door along with experience. She makes it seem as what you learn in HER class will make a big difference in what you do in the future. Last time i check, what i make of myself will show me where i will end up in the future, not her, teachers are there to teach and educate and students. Not bring them down and pity those who they already know. I hate lazy people cause i myself am not lazy but i have never struggled to do my best in a class as i did in hers. Teachers should be strict but also understanding. There are 5 other classes on our schedules to worry about and Haines trying to make hers a priority over the others? It is not that damn serious Haines. Whatever happened to going to college to learn about what you want to study and still registering for the classes you are interested in even if it is not in your major? and getting to know what is offered at school and knowing your faculty and staff. She is making it more of a competition than a learning experience which in my opinion is nonsense and ridiculous. And anything she taught it wasn’t like i didn’t know it already..she just held the class’ focus better than most but trust me..I WOULD NEVER TAKE HER AGAIN. They are far better professors who are willing to treat everyone equally. This is not a looks competition.
School is not to supposed to teach you to be smarter or how much to read, it is supposed to teach you discipline.
August 16th, 2008 at 8:23 am
SSH: You have to understand, however, that you’re a B student in a third-tier college (USN&WR) in the NE Master’s University (i.e., vocational college) class. Admittedly, there are very smart people who attend your college, but you’re not one of them. You really have no idea what a real college is supposed to do for you. It’s a shame and a waste of money, given the fact that you’re whining about the whole thing and seem resistant to advice. When you’re doing research on colleges for your kids, you’ll know what I’m talking about. Right now, this concept is out of your reach. Your self-knowledge is also very limited. You really can’t write. Read some good prose every day. Go to class and listen how your professors construct an argument and present information. Outline what you just wrote so that you can see its flaws.
I’m just trying to be helpful here. I’m not only a prof. at a second-rate vocational college, I’m also an alumnus of one. I know whereof I speak. (Gosh, I can’t wait for the semester to begin already!)
August 16th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Being a professor at a school and saying that I am not smart shows alot about your personality and demeanor. To come on a site and bash me for writing a comment which is from my personal opinion shows why you are still at a vocational college. YOU are a perfect example of professors who bash their students and to come on a site to bash one who is not even your own, i could only hope that your students run far. You are not trying to be helpful at all, you are trying to bash me in a sugar coated way, but i am not as stupid as you. And when i said that i have over a 3.0 gpa in both majors, that does not mean i have a 3.0 gpa. I will be glad to say it is wayyyyyyyyyy over a 3.0 gpa to clarify your “misunderstanding” Oh and where did i say in my paragraph that she gave me advice? Nowhere did i state that. Clearly you are the one who has problems reading. If this is your way of helping people then teaching is the wrong profession for you… Period
August 16th, 2008 at 10:16 am
And for the last 4 comments before mine…I agree with you 100%
August 16th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I said, “you’re whining about the whole thing and seem resistant to advice.”
You said, “When i asked her how am i supposed to know that i don’t know how to write like you and i can’t because we both have our own way of phrasing things. and she says ‘oh you’ll figure it out’.”
Q.E.D.
August 16th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
“and i can’t because we both have our own way of phrasing things” is supposed to be resistant to advice? Oh now i get it, i’m resisting advice because i said i can’t write like her. Asking someone for extra help to help boost their grade is not resisting advice. You expect me to write like every professor that i have when i walk into their class? Everyone has their own writing technique. Just because i can’t write like someone doesn’t mean i am resistant to advice. Trust me, i would be whining if i took her and failed. But im not whining one bit. I’m letting people know from my perspective what i have seen and experienced.
August 19th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Elizabeth, you are sooo incredibly sexy. Why don’t we teach an Anatomy Lab for just the two of us, I think we can score A’s all the way. Your blonde hair caressing my body, and me licking that sexy body of yours…yeah your one hot little mamma!
August 20th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
“Admittedly, there are very smart people who attend your college, but you’re not one of them.”
That’s an awfully presumptuous thing to say to someone you don’t know. I doubt you have many friends outside of academia, considering you’re so quick to judge others based on your perceived notions of their intelligence. How pretentious.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:44 am
GoBucks, the usual way we humans expose the content of our minds and our thought processes is through language. Granted, if you believe in “The Seven Intelligences,” then SHH might be able to tango, blow the trumpet, sculpt with clay, play chess, empathize, or have great self-knowledge. I would then say you have a valid point about “smart.” Unfortunately, those who engage in RMP trolling can’t exhibit any of their skills other than the verbal-logical ones. The same is probably true for most college subjects, I think you’d agree.
SSH, to my mind, can neither write nor construct a solid argument. Yet SHH trashes Haines for what she’s trying to do (teach students to write and to reason somewhat like a psychologist) and then whines about it in the first post. (SHH is low on the self-knowledge scale, too, I’d say.)
So them’s the “facts” upon which I builds me statements.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:24 am
I’m a student and I lack compassion.
I try hard, and I don’t blame the professors I don’t like for my failings. Truth is, most of you don’t evaluate yourself and your efforts. I hear you whinnies all the time, as soon as you start that process you drop it instantly (probably because you’re afraid of your own shame) and go on a rant on how she didn’t baby you.
get over yourselves. I blame your parents too for giving you too much sense of self importance.
August 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
empathetic…. school is structured around one’s learning abilities and education required for future aspirations. If you had “failings” you obviously did not evaluate YOUR efforts and and YOURSELF to give yourself a chance not to fail. But however, saying you don’t blame professors, does not make you much more of a better person. If you choose not to continue within a course for the sake of your gpa dropping, that doesn’t make anyone shameful. We are students in a higher level of learning. Self importance has nothing to do with ranting. We have all ranted about bad professors as well as excellent ones.
As for Ramon, i agree with GoBucks 100%, and SSH’s opinions and statements are none but their own and to judge someone, calling them “not smart” is quite embarassing on this board when you are a professor.
Your last statement ramon,
“So them’s the “facts” upon which I builds me statements” is not a proper sentence
August 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
That’s for clearing that up, jj. You’re right. It’s not a proper sentence. It’s a Popeye sentence.
Time and again one sees student postings that are quite embarrassing. You know, William James said something along the lines of, “A sense of humor is just common sense–dancing.” If you can’t spot irony or a bit of humor, you really have no common sense. I would suggest to you, jj, that you marry SSH and breed a species of creatures that could look up to morlocks.
School starts soon. Better focus your attention on your edumakashun. (And, yeah, that’s a Popeye word.)
August 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
You are a professor using popeyes sentence to clarify humor…only problem with that is…YOU ARE NOT FUNNY! LOL..how old are you again and where did you get your education? under a matchbook i supposed
August 25th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Ramon whacks off to Haines every night lol, he’s been following this post since March! You’re a sick **** man, shouldn’t you be getting ready for classes?? Give it up man she doesn’t want you!! IMAO :O
August 25th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
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September 12th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Hey bil clinton,
You sound very angry. Have you talked with someone about it?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
I have never heard of William Paterson University.
Is it accredited?
September 24th, 2008 at 3:02 am
Seriously Ronnie: ” Attendance at a college or university should never be mandatory and neither should homework and papers…(unless you are in english or literature)”
Are you serious? Why bother going then?
“Lecture and give the test. Make it applicable to real life.”
Homework is a way for the professor to see if you get what is being taught. If you can’t handle it, drop the class.
Why is your class so important for me? Make it known to your students and have a sense of humor. Good luck.”
You CHOSE the class. YOU figure out why it’s so important. By the way, your marital status doesn’t have anything to do with the professor. Why should they cater to you?
October 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Liz ! omg i love you !!! marry me !!!!!!!!
Much love to the woman with brains and beauty , you got it all !
November 5th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Ick.
Flirty; cleavage-bearing. Fine off-time or when you’re not wearing a professor hat.
Kills her academic credibility, that this is how she wants to sell herself in this interview
November 6th, 2008 at 4:46 am
Jealousy is an ugly thing LM.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am
The majority of female psychology professors are hot! I got my degree at San Diego State University. Our joint doctoral program with UCSD is rated #2 in the USA. All the good lookin, sweet, and loving students were also psychology majors. I also have a minor in business…those women look like men!
But I think she’s right though, people tend to value the best… this includes attractive and beautiful people. Kind of ironic though because psychologists talk about self esteem and this clearly shows the value in external features over internal features.???
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:16 am
I’d wreck this professors box. In class. On the first day.
Eff the syllabus, I’m gettin an A!
July 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 am
Ramón Raquello, I think you are one lacking in empathy or can’t spot the argument that SSH is trying to make. Then you try to bash other people in a mean manner. That’s really a little sad. Try to be less mean-spirited and more compassionate.
I don’t know who you are and I don’t know who SSH is.
However, I read SSH’s writing and could sense his frustration. He is posting his personal opinion about how much work he is putting in and still not doing well in Prof. Haines’ quizzes.
As an exercise in empathy, RR, try to spot the argument that SSH is trying to make.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
"you do your side, & i'll do my side" that's what she said
July 12th, 2009 at 3:00 am
We are but trolls and geeks who ply our trade within this forum. If it is empathy one seeks, I trust one would not be posting here. Go speak to your clergyman or local M.S. W. I am neither. As a troll, I can be as mean-spirited as I want to be.
I will grant you this, OBJECTIVE: There is no excuse for lazy teaching. Furthermore, teacher disorganization is a capital offense in my book. But that's not what SSH has an issue with. One can't, however, blame problems on instructor ego or class workload.
I will also tell you this: You learn how to read Plato essentially by reading Plato. And I, now in my dotage, am currently reading a book for which I have to move my lips and pore over each sentence two or three times in order to get the gist. Reading is not easy, and sometimes you can't get the Sparknotes version of what it is you're studying. You just have to do the work yourself and do it seriously. You learn to think like a psychologist by listening attentively to the speech of a psychologist and also by reading what psychologists write. That's where Haines seems to be coming from.
It doesn't sound to me like SSH is really putting in the time. Instead, SSH, like a squawking fledgling, wants the material semi-digested and regurgitated into his/her mouth .
You'll see what I mean when you "teach" your child to ride a bike.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
I think you are throwing the stereotype around loosely when saying anyone who gets a Ph.D. in Psychology is trying to figure out themselves. I will be the first to admit there are a lot of Wackos trying to figure themselves out in Psych programs but stereotyping all of them is a bit absurd. I have an undergrad in Psych, a Masters of Business, and am currently working on a Masters of I/O Psych. Just don't forget the few who are good characters just interested in behavior and why people do things. Plus, there are many areas of psychology besides counseling, which is what you are referring too.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Just a little fyi tidbit to anyone that may get the itch to respond to this "Ramon" individual: To him, college professors can do no wrong and should not be held responsible for their shortcomings…after all, he's one of them. Or at least he claims to be.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Not true, if you've been reading my responses. The cardinal prof-sin is disorganization. This is manifest in mid-semester phrases, you kids should watch out for. E.g.: "I'm changing the order of the topics on the syllabus," "I think we'll have an exam on Thursday," "I thought we'd get to read that book I had you buy, but I'm falling behind," I'm sorry I don't have your exams/drafts/papers graded yet, but I've been very busy," etc. You also have the ones who can't string two logical sentences together in a lecture. Next there are the verbally abusive and certifiably nutty profs, the kind that *snap* when a student presents an opinion contrary to the ol' professor's leftist stance. And finally, there are the Power Point droners working with their Clinton-era slides. Capital crimes all! Drag 'em out to the quad and shoot the lot of 'em.
Also, Ricci, know that an academic is the consummate student, someone who has spent about 20 years as a pupil. I'm not only the president of the Hair Club. I'm also a member. Most students complaining here are just lazy semi-litterates.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Not true, if you've been reading my responses. The cardinal prof-sin is disorganization. This is manifest in mid-semester phrases, you kids should watch out for. E.g.: "I'm changing the order of the topics on the syllabus," "I think we'll have an exam on Thursday," "I thought we'd get to read that book I had you buy, but I'm falling behind," "I'm sorry I don't have your exams/drafts/papers graded yet, but I've been very busy," etc. You also have the ones who can't string two logical sentences together in a lecture. Next there are the verbally abusive and certifiably nutty profs, the kind that *snap* when a student presents an opinion contrary to the ol' professor's leftist stance. And finally, there are the Power Point droners working with their Clinton-era slides. Capital crimes all! Drag 'em out to the quad and shoot the lot of 'em.
Also, Ricci, know that an academic is the consummate student, someone who has spent about 20 years as a pupil. I'm not only the president of the Hair Club. I'm also a member. Most students complaining here are just lazy semi-literates.
July 25th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Ok so, this is all about preference. Its all about how you learn best. For example, i took normal, lecture five times a week, full on homework and assignments plus projects, and i have to say, i like online classes better. Im more of an indepenent learner, meaning that i learn best on my own and and seem to absorb much more info by reading rather than listening to someone. The noticable difference for me is that i doze off in class really easily, ( i have a HUGE imagination), and tend to be distracted or otherwise loose focus during class. Now on the other hand, the online classes push me to be on my own time but also pressure me into really reading the material in the books and focus. Knowing that time isnt on my side, reading the books at home makes them more pressing that i concentrate as hard as i can. ( keep in mind, online classes are not easier than normal classes)
Also, have you all noticed that when taking classes that require you to read chapters, your proffessors will lecture about the material in those chapters but then tell you that you MUST read the chapters yourself in order to get good grades on the exams. That just tells me that the lectures arent enough to get a good grade, putting the book infront of you to read regardless if you are going to lectures. By putting together my knowledge and experience and takes on the matter of lectures vs no lectures, i think that reading the books period, will be sufficient to recieve a good grade in class, and put the lectures on a secondary stool to further understand the materials in the books if you dont already understand them. Also lectures leave room to compare and debate your thoughts on the material at hand.
All in all, if you are an independent learner like myself, i recommened online, if you need further assistance with grasping information and retaining it, i suggest lectures. It all depeneds on how YOU learn best. They are both needed and should remain, as it gives students like myself, an option.
By the way, i get far better grades online than attending lectures everyday. But thats just me.
Oh on the topic of homework vs no homework……..come on…..if youre going to school, than atleast expect to do some homework. I mean, whats school without homework, or a tree without its roots.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
she ur professor for god sake, now r u going to fell in love with al of ur professor that looks hot n single. get a life ur here to learn something in class, not to ask ur professor to marry u that can compromises her teaching.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Yes I am single, what's your phone number? I'm pretty good in bed. *wink*
August 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
The comment she made about attendance is in regard to doing well in her class. She doesn't say you HAVE to go to class. She says, don't complain about your grade if you skip class. That is one of the requirements for doing well. If you miss class, you are going to miss important points brought up in class, that will affect how you do in the class, its very simple, and honest. Go ahead and skip class, just don't blame her when you get a D.
August 29th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
The idea that anything the prof tell you you can get from a book is not necessarily true; it would be assuming that everything he/she tells you is coming from one or maybe less than a half dozen books, but he/she may have synthesized information from a myriad of sources. I had an Asian Studies professor who would fill us in on information not in the standard texts. He would often identify sources, of course, but the point is that that not everything the prof tells you is automatically found in one neat little published package. This is especially true for undergraduate work. I wouldn't take points off for non-attendance per se, but there are simply some courses in which you need to be in the classroom in order to do well.
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:23 am
Thanks for taking pity on those less attractive than you, how very noble. Being attractive may be important in less rigorous fields such as psychology. However, when it comes to more worthwhile courses/studies your aesthetic appeal may not lead to instant success. And one final thought…. If students have time to focus on your physical appearance then perhaps the subject matter isn't all that demanding.
September 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Wow you are an idiot. I am going to be a middle school science teacher and I am not doing it because I dont know science. I am doing it because I like to help people and I love science and I think there is not enough emphasis on it in schools. Besides, I love kids. Get your head out of stupid cliches and learn something actually useful for a change.
September 11th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
[...] does little to improve the status quo. For samples, see the video of an physics professor or of a psychology professor. Although their one-way exchanges with students are certainly civil and good-humored, these [...]
September 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 pm
attractive? less attractive? Please…who are you to determine what is attractive? What a pompous cow…
September 29th, 2009 at 7:17 am
A lot of professors do groundbreaking research you idiot.
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
What a narcissistic cretin!
October 14th, 2009 at 3:51 am
I guess she wants us to appreciate her mind…not…lol.
October 16th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
oh gee, another "hip" and "cool" teacher. Here's an idea: Instead of clearly desperately seeking validation and attention from anonymous people, why not actually teach rather than make this idiotic blurps (i.e. brain farts) of your oh-so insightful views of higher education. Perhaps I would take you more seriously if you weren't flashing pseudo gang signs while throwing out terms like "social contract." An one more thing ya rebel gansta girl: You are not hot and are in fact "average." Nothing special to write home about here with your looks. So stop trying to flatter yourself by proffering up yourself as the exemplary hottie spokewoman for those poor, less attractive educators. Jez lady, you are a freaking joke.
American Education for higher learning is rapidly going down the crapper. Learn Chinese, for in 20 years, the Chinese will be the world's master. Vanity is the start of the end. And if this offends you, GOOD! Maybe some of you out there have a brain to recognize a needed change for old fashioned disciple and hard work ethics and not flash with lack of substance that this schlep of a "professor" is promoting. Given her flapping underarms, after the flash flops, her underarms are left alone flopping behind the hallow vacant emptiness of this punishable, offensive vain display of stupidity.
J.C. from NYC
October 16th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Totally agree with you.
October 16th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
What I love about her pompous display is the irony of her being ignorant of her flabby underarms while taking about "attractive." Yeah, no correlation with self-enlightenment and education. Knowledge and wisdom are indeed separate things, the former not guarantee for the latter.
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 am
slurp slurp.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
wild flowing of comments- some of these folks should sit under a tree for a day and just think for a while. That might help them get past taxonomy and beyond epistomology and just practice being for a while.
October 26th, 2009 at 6:20 am
That laugh was f*ckin sinister
October 27th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
yea, I have the same curiosity.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:23 am
wow Alan Trevithick i must say.. As a Phd student in Psychology you are surely on some sort of power trip using your education as a weapon.. Lashing out on peoples opinions putting up a diagnosis on their behaviour . You should be "professional"enough to stop diagnosing your opponents in the middle of an discussion.. Even if it sounds scientific and clever it neither and its not better than saying "you are stupid and i dont like what you are saying"..
It undermines what psychology is about. Understanding peoples behavior in order to help them in the best way possible. So ask yourself..truly.. Who did you help in your post? Stop using psychology as a weapon against others..
November 1st, 2009 at 4:48 am
she can play with my mind (and other things) anytime
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 am
id do bother her sides!